tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post681192958906720647..comments2023-10-06T09:16:45.120-04:00Comments on Mondok Blog: How to Deal With the Guilt of Sexual Failure - A Response to John PiperBryonmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14483341910569645033noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-13565491939558304332009-02-11T23:22:00.000-05:002009-02-11T23:22:00.000-05:00How about if we all just visualize unattractive wo...How about if we all just visualize unattractive women in burkas and masturbate to our hearts content. Gosh, Anonymous 2, you make it sound like lancing a boil. I can't help thinking you all just kinda missed the point somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-76958556258259677192009-02-08T08:48:00.000-05:002009-02-08T08:48:00.000-05:00Yeah, Piper is like the Eighth Sacrament, isn't he...Yeah, Piper is like the Eighth Sacrament, isn't he?<BR/><BR/>I am not a Piper guy, try as I may. He's brilliant and prolific, absolutely. <BR/><BR/>But he's like John MacArthur, once he says something it is gospel in his own eyes. I read one of his things yesterday in which he absolutely insists that "porneia" in the NT is specifically about "premarital sex", and he bases it solely on the fact that it is a concept distinct from adultery. What?? The logical hole is big enough to drive a bus through, but he doesn't see it. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I am wrong so much of the time that I seldom assume I'm right. I just assume I am so smart I have the right to be wrong. Wretched man that I am!Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-83162789549153336282009-02-07T10:11:00.000-05:002009-02-07T10:11:00.000-05:00wow. i love a good controversy. cross piper and th...wow. i love a good controversy. cross piper and the fur really flies...Bryonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14483341910569645033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-64217631057585334912009-02-07T09:47:00.000-05:002009-02-07T09:47:00.000-05:00bar? I believe it is possible to masturbate witho...bar? I believe it <I>is</I> possible to masturbate without visualizing a person. Sometimes the urge is strong and the act of masturbating requires no visualizing, but is just a way to find release. Is it that way <I>all the time</I>? No, but one <I>can</I> control that part and so then masturbation is not sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-41381914041953039632009-02-07T00:36:00.000-05:002009-02-07T00:36:00.000-05:00If you set the bar in the wrong place you'll bump ...If you set the bar in the wrong place you'll bump your head on it over and over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-42007464621045762412009-02-07T00:33:00.000-05:002009-02-07T00:33:00.000-05:00Hold it, angry mob. I don't think the writer here ...Hold it, angry mob. I don't think the writer here is <I>trying</I> to misrepresent Piper. He is just saying that in his view, Piper's position <I>amounts</I> to the same thing as "boys will be boys."<BR/><BR/>But his disagreement with Piper births a slanderous interpretation of what he said, doesn't it? Martin Luther's creed, and mine, says this manner of thought and speech violates the 9th commandment in flamboyant style. Sin. <BR/><BR/>I'd imagine St Paul had heard Jesus' teaching of Mt 5:28. Well, he seems to take a different tack than van der Spek, OR Piper: "Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 'Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!'? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but <I>they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.</I> [Col 3:20-23]<BR/><BR/>This is true, and I testify that love triumphs over, lust just as surely as mercy triumphs over judgement.<BR/><BR/>"The law of the spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death." [Rom 8:2]Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-57512799900952391912009-02-06T20:42:00.000-05:002009-02-06T20:42:00.000-05:00I don't know if the author of this article could h...I don't know if the author of this article could have possibly misrepresented or misinterpreted Piper any more than he did here. To assume that Piper has a "Boys will be Boys" attitude is way off base. Piper is describing the heart of the problem: not treasuring Christ like we should. Instead of giving a three step formula to beat lust, he says we need to ask God for the grace to treasure Christ more than we do now.<BR/><BR/>If a man wills himself to not ever look at porn but his heart is still being satisfied by something other than Christ he has gained nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17744322.post-44389950801621334402009-02-06T13:50:00.000-05:002009-02-06T13:50:00.000-05:00I'm sorry but this is the biggest crock of BS I ha...I'm sorry but this is the biggest crock of BS I have ever read. Sexuality is a biological instinct we are driven to satisy and telling people they can "conquer" it through faith-based obedience is a crock. We need to find the proper outlet for this God-given drive through marriage but in the meantime we can expect to fail repeatedly and seek God's forgiveness. God understands our needs and wants to give us the desire of our hearts as long as what we desire is in line with His will. Sexuality is one of the greatest "natural" gifts he gave us and we should seek to honor that by expressing our sexuality in the context of a committed, loving relationship... that is not possible for many people at one time or another and I believe he understands our need to satisfy this intense desire in some way when that is the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com